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		<title>By: Rich G.</title>
		<link>http://www.simplerich.com/2010/05/10/facebook-kerfluffle/comment-page-1/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. I&#039;ve found an alternative to leaving Facebook.
I&#039;ve installed a browser that I&#039;ll only use for Facebook. If I go to no sites other than Facebook it can&#039;t harvest any other data from me.
I then deleted my facebook cookies, blocked them from resetting in firefox, and finally blacklisted facebook.com/* so that even the Like It buttons on other sites don&#039;t show up any more in my primary browser.
This way I&#039;ll be able to remain in contact with my friends and family. My information will be as private as I want it to be and my browsing and other nonsense will be my own.
.-= Rich G.´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Simplerich/~3/iu_AKW4amvc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook Kerfluffle&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I&#8217;ve found an alternative to leaving Facebook.<br />
I&#8217;ve installed a browser that I&#8217;ll only use for Facebook. If I go to no sites other than Facebook it can&#8217;t harvest any other data from me.<br />
I then deleted my facebook cookies, blocked them from resetting in firefox, and finally blacklisted facebook.com/* so that even the Like It buttons on other sites don&#8217;t show up any more in my primary browser.<br />
This way I&#8217;ll be able to remain in contact with my friends and family. My information will be as private as I want it to be and my browsing and other nonsense will be my own.<br />
.-= Rich G.´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Simplerich/~3/iu_AKW4amvc/" rel="nofollow">Facebook Kerfluffle</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich G.</title>
		<link>http://www.simplerich.com/2010/05/10/facebook-kerfluffle/comment-page-1/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick answer up front, longer later.
You didn&#039;t offend me. You&#039;re a friend. I don&#039;t get offended by friends really. The cultural expectation that I should have to explain why I&#039;m pro-privacy is what is offensive. It&#039;s my opinion if the government would need a warrant to get at the information then businesses should as well, anybody else should come to that. If the FBI were smart it&#039;d break off from government, incorporate, buy facebook, and have most of their work done for them. 
You know what... they probably have a dummy corporation out there right now doing that very sort of data-mining thing selling it back to the FBI so they can get around that pesky Bill of Rights.
.-= Rich G.´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Simplerich/~3/iu_AKW4amvc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook Kerfluffle&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick answer up front, longer later.<br />
You didn&#8217;t offend me. You&#8217;re a friend. I don&#8217;t get offended by friends really. The cultural expectation that I should have to explain why I&#8217;m pro-privacy is what is offensive. It&#8217;s my opinion if the government would need a warrant to get at the information then businesses should as well, anybody else should come to that. If the FBI were smart it&#8217;d break off from government, incorporate, buy facebook, and have most of their work done for them.<br />
You know what&#8230; they probably have a dummy corporation out there right now doing that very sort of data-mining thing selling it back to the FBI so they can get around that pesky Bill of Rights.<br />
.-= Rich G.´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Simplerich/~3/iu_AKW4amvc/" rel="nofollow">Facebook Kerfluffle</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.simplerich.com/2010/05/10/facebook-kerfluffle/comment-page-1/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 06:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your question, why do I use curtains? Because my neighbors, the homeowner&#039;s association, the Las Vegas Metroplitan Police Department, the Clark County District Attorney&#039;s office, and a Clark County judge have all told me that I either had to buy curtains for my windows or I had to restrict my activities in &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; home. MY OWN HOME! 

My original comments were meant to question you as to whether there was some negative thing I missed concerning facebook privacy, or if this was more about &#039;the point of the matter&#039; and not the actual effect.

Personally I&#039;d say not to connect with bosses or subordinates at all on social networking sites. I know places I worked at in the past this was frowned upon and could even be grounds for termination (for the superior), because they didn&#039;t like fraternization between employees and their bosses outside of work.

I do have a lot of things online which may negatively affect me at work (it shouldn&#039;t, but it could), so I&#039;m very careful about who I connect to what online. I never mentioned a lot of my activities (including my blog) on Myspace because I had both coworkers and family members in my friends list. So far I don&#039;t have anything damning on my facebook page either.

You make a good point about password retrieval questions. It&#039;s not something I find bad with facebook though, it&#039;s something I find bad about password retrieval. Personally I only use the things if I have to, and if I do its a gibberish string more complicated than my password, and quickly forgotten. The thing is, a lot of people know the name of my first pet, my favorite book, and my mother&#039;s maiden name. None of that is information I&#039;ve kept particularly guarded through out my life. It&#039;s also absurd to require a password that contains at least eight characters and two numbers not in sequence so it can&#039;t be cracked, but let it be retrieved with a three letter common word answer to a specific question.

I also know you very well, and I find it very hard to believe that you have things you care about people hacking protected by honest answers to these questions.

You talk about Facebook monitoring Internet usage. It&#039;s not the best thing, but there is a solution. Only use Facebook when you aren&#039;t websurfing. Close facebook prior to websurfing. 

I know I&#039;m a little bit careful about what I put online, especially in places I know friends and coworkers are going to look. I don&#039;t see how facebook&#039;s privacy settings are going to hurt me.

To me the issue comes down to this. You enjoy facebook and you believe it enriches your life. Your upset about some changes that have happened, although you already know how to keep yourself protected with these changes, and it is not actually damaging you, except maybe by adding new restrictions to your facebook activity.

If enough people leave they might change some things, but by the look of things most people don&#039;t even know or understand what is going on, so there&#039;s not a good chance of that happening. So if you leave whatever positive things facebook has brought into your life you&#039;re now denying yourself, and the negative stuff you&#039;re saving yourself from was manageable anyways.

As you&#039;ve said, it&#039;s not a matter of utility (positive contributions versus negative effects), it&#039;s a matter of principle. I think I understood these things better when I was younger. But now that I&#039;m older, things like facebook privacy settings which really don&#039;t affect me either way don&#039;t concern me much. I&#039;d ratherbe concerned about more practical things, like working up the courage to ask out the cute gamestop clerk so I don&#039;t have to keep buying $60 worth of video games every week.

My perspective is I currently like Facebook, it&#039;s fun and popular, and as of yet it isn&#039;t hurting me in any way. Until they do something that actually effects me, or I get bored, I&#039;m going to stay there.

I don&#039;t really think it&#039;s a question of defending your privacy either (and I&#039;m sorry if I offended you, my original questions were meant to draw you into an argument to figure out if there was some reason for leaving facebook that might actually concern me). Of course you have the right to your privacy, in the same way you have a right to leave facebook, and I don&#039;t think anyone is going to tell you that you can&#039;t or it&#039;s wrong for you to make a personal decision to leave. The main point of my argument is, is it worth leaving over? Yes I know you have some good reasons, but especially since I know you also know how to fix those things (like don&#039;t play farmville at work), I don&#039;t see any concrete cons to staying, so ultimately it comes down to a personal decision.
.-= Rob´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://robjo.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/profaning-the-gods-for-entertainment-who-put-the-glad-in-gladiator/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Profaning the Gods for Entertainment: Who Put the “Glad” in Gladiator?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question, why do I use curtains? Because my neighbors, the homeowner&#8217;s association, the Las Vegas Metroplitan Police Department, the Clark County District Attorney&#8217;s office, and a Clark County judge have all told me that I either had to buy curtains for my windows or I had to restrict my activities in <i>my</i> home. MY OWN HOME! </p>
<p>My original comments were meant to question you as to whether there was some negative thing I missed concerning facebook privacy, or if this was more about &#8216;the point of the matter&#8217; and not the actual effect.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d say not to connect with bosses or subordinates at all on social networking sites. I know places I worked at in the past this was frowned upon and could even be grounds for termination (for the superior), because they didn&#8217;t like fraternization between employees and their bosses outside of work.</p>
<p>I do have a lot of things online which may negatively affect me at work (it shouldn&#8217;t, but it could), so I&#8217;m very careful about who I connect to what online. I never mentioned a lot of my activities (including my blog) on Myspace because I had both coworkers and family members in my friends list. So far I don&#8217;t have anything damning on my facebook page either.</p>
<p>You make a good point about password retrieval questions. It&#8217;s not something I find bad with facebook though, it&#8217;s something I find bad about password retrieval. Personally I only use the things if I have to, and if I do its a gibberish string more complicated than my password, and quickly forgotten. The thing is, a lot of people know the name of my first pet, my favorite book, and my mother&#8217;s maiden name. None of that is information I&#8217;ve kept particularly guarded through out my life. It&#8217;s also absurd to require a password that contains at least eight characters and two numbers not in sequence so it can&#8217;t be cracked, but let it be retrieved with a three letter common word answer to a specific question.</p>
<p>I also know you very well, and I find it very hard to believe that you have things you care about people hacking protected by honest answers to these questions.</p>
<p>You talk about Facebook monitoring Internet usage. It&#8217;s not the best thing, but there is a solution. Only use Facebook when you aren&#8217;t websurfing. Close facebook prior to websurfing. </p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m a little bit careful about what I put online, especially in places I know friends and coworkers are going to look. I don&#8217;t see how facebook&#8217;s privacy settings are going to hurt me.</p>
<p>To me the issue comes down to this. You enjoy facebook and you believe it enriches your life. Your upset about some changes that have happened, although you already know how to keep yourself protected with these changes, and it is not actually damaging you, except maybe by adding new restrictions to your facebook activity.</p>
<p>If enough people leave they might change some things, but by the look of things most people don&#8217;t even know or understand what is going on, so there&#8217;s not a good chance of that happening. So if you leave whatever positive things facebook has brought into your life you&#8217;re now denying yourself, and the negative stuff you&#8217;re saving yourself from was manageable anyways.</p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve said, it&#8217;s not a matter of utility (positive contributions versus negative effects), it&#8217;s a matter of principle. I think I understood these things better when I was younger. But now that I&#8217;m older, things like facebook privacy settings which really don&#8217;t affect me either way don&#8217;t concern me much. I&#8217;d ratherbe concerned about more practical things, like working up the courage to ask out the cute gamestop clerk so I don&#8217;t have to keep buying $60 worth of video games every week.</p>
<p>My perspective is I currently like Facebook, it&#8217;s fun and popular, and as of yet it isn&#8217;t hurting me in any way. Until they do something that actually effects me, or I get bored, I&#8217;m going to stay there.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s a question of defending your privacy either (and I&#8217;m sorry if I offended you, my original questions were meant to draw you into an argument to figure out if there was some reason for leaving facebook that might actually concern me). Of course you have the right to your privacy, in the same way you have a right to leave facebook, and I don&#8217;t think anyone is going to tell you that you can&#8217;t or it&#8217;s wrong for you to make a personal decision to leave. The main point of my argument is, is it worth leaving over? Yes I know you have some good reasons, but especially since I know you also know how to fix those things (like don&#8217;t play farmville at work), I don&#8217;t see any concrete cons to staying, so ultimately it comes down to a personal decision.<br />
.-= Rob´s last blog ..<a href="http://robjo.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/profaning-the-gods-for-entertainment-who-put-the-glad-in-gladiator/" rel="nofollow">Profaning the Gods for Entertainment: Who Put the “Glad” in Gladiator?</a> =-.</p>
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